Sailing Oceans with Padma Venkatraman

How’s this for serendipity? When I met conference keynoter Padma Venkatraman at the James River Writers conference in October 2016, she recognized my book. She’d read it! Turns out her book had also received the NCSS Notable Trade Book Award. We were award-sisters! And right then, I knew I had to interview Padma for my blog.

I’ve just read her multiple-award-winning novel A Time to Dance about a girl who dreams of dancing again after losing a leg in a bus accident. It’s intense, at times funny and sad, soul-touching, heart-warming—all in all, a great read.

A.B. Westrick: Welcome, Padma!

Padma Venkatrama: Hello! Thanks for having me.

ABW: Your keynote address was inspirational, and I’d love for you to repeat a bit of what I heard you say at the James River Writers conference. Would you please talk about “going method”—the way you approached the task of writing about a character who’d lost a leg? It was so interesting. What did you do, and how did it influence your writing process?

PV: I’d like to begin by sharing with your readers the incident that inspired A Time to DanceOn a trip to India in my late teens, I was bitten by a viper, one of the most poisonous Indian snakes.

ABW: Oh, no!

PV: Oh, yes! It’s a miracle I survived without having to have my leg amputated. That experience—of nearly losing life and limb—solidified my sense of spirituality (which isn’t necessarily bound to any religion).

Much later (I won’t say quite how many years later, but I’m definitely not in my teens any more)—I felt I heard a character’s voice in my head and then my mind and heart were possessed by her and her story. In some ways, that character—Veda, the protagonist of A Time to Dance—is like me; in some ways she isn’t. 

(Whenever any writer writes about a character who isn’t entirely like the writer, it’s a challenge. But if all we did was to write about characters like us, we’d all be memoirists! And, frankly, even if we write memoirs, we’re usually writing about who we once were, not who we now are…)

So I knew I had to write Veda’s story, but I had to do my research with utmost respect. I took over 5 years to complete the novel because I wanted to try my hardest to be accurate and true to Veda’s experience of disability in India. In addition to reading extensively and interviewing many doctors, nurses, medical professionals, prosthetists, dancers, and, most importantly, people with disabilities, I also “went method” the way an actor might.

I used crutches and experimented on myself to simulate phantom sensation. I bound up my leg and tried dance moves. I even drank a lot of water one night and then went to bed with my leg bound, to experience the feeling of waking up at night and not having my crutches right next to me.

ABW: This is what I recall you saying at the conference. You went all-out to try to experience your character’s struggle.

PV: Yes, but even so, I felt like I had permission to write the book only when a reader, who had the same disability as Veda does, was moved to tears by a draft I’d asked her to read and expressed her amazement that although I do not have that disability, I “knew exactly how phantom pain” felt.

This, by the way, doesn’t mean I do actually know this. It just means I felt I had her blessing—and then the blessings of about 10 – 15 other beta readers who had the same disability. Despite what I might have done to gain understanding and empathy, I only caught a glimpse of what it is like for people with disabilities to live in a world that privileges people without disabilities. No more than a glimpse.

ABW: Your writing comes across as authentic, and I applaud you for your patience and willingness to seek out multiple beta readers. I have to tell you that I find it encouraging that it took you 5 years to write the book—encouraging because my next novel is taking me longer than I anticipated it would!

But back to A Time to Dance: I particularly enjoyed the secondary characters. From the grandmother to the American prosthetics engineer, they were richly drawn and your protagonist’s relationships with them felt real. How did you go about crafting these characters? To what extent are they based on people you’ve known? How much is pure fiction?

PV: I’ve always been impressed by American volunteers who travel in droves to other nations to do their best to help. Jim’s character was partly inspired by someone I met while doing research for the novel. But although I did incorporate Jim, I made sure his role was small—the last thing I wanted was for him to be Veda’s white saviour. We have far too many of those. So he shows up, helps, and then leaves. He’s truly secondary.

The others are more important secondary characters: Veda’s love interest, her best friend, her parents and grandmother, her teachers. Many of them are based on people I know. But then, as with all fiction, while the starting point might be rooted in the truth, by the time the character grows, the truth is a mere kernel. It’s like watching a tree branch out and blossom; by the time it bears fruit, it no longer is anything like the seed it once was.

ABW: Yes, a good analogy. Now I have a question about a comment you made in your Acknowledgments: you thanked your editor for encouraging you to experiment with the novel’s form. A Time to Dance is in verse, and your earlier novels, Climbing the Stairs and Island’s End, are written in prose. How did writing in verse make this story better than it might have been as prose? What are some pros and cons to writing a novel in verse vs. prose? 

PV: When Veda’s character possessed me, I heard verse. But I fought against writing A Time to Dance in verse because although I love and read poetry, I hadn’t studied it. Luckily for me, Richard Blanco (who later read at President Obama’s inauguration) let me sit in on a poetry workshop he was doing at the University of Rhode Island’s Ocean State Summer Writing Conference, and his friendship and faith in my ability helped me overcome my fear of experimenting with this form. Other wonderful poets also encouraged me, including Peter Covino, Mary Capello, Scott Hightower, Jody Lisberger, and Kristin Prevallet, as did my marvelous agent Rob Weisbach and my star editor Nancy Paulsen. I’m deeply grateful for her unwavering support, understanding, and patience as the novel evolved.

Another editor whom I deeply trust, Stephen Roxburgh, provided insights that were vital. He’s edited many books I admire and love—everything from Marilyn Nelson’s Newberry-winning Carver: A Life in Poems to Roald Dahl’s The B. F. G to Carolyn Coman‘s worksand it meant so much to me that he read and provided feedback on my work. He helped me see that Veda’s core story is one of spiritual growth. And spiritual growth occurs in wordlessness, which verse requires—it’s in that white space between words. I commented on this in a recent blogpost.

ABW: Ahhh, I’ve just read your post. Very thoughtful.

islands-endPV: I enjoyed writing that piece. And I would also say that with this story, rather than form affecting content, it was the other way around: Veda’s voice and content dictated form. It was really a tremendous relief that A Time to Dance was released to starred reviews in 5 major journals, and that it’s been so glowingly reviewed by so very many other sources.

ABW: That reinforces the craft advice to listen closely to your characters. Do you plan to write your next novel in verse—do you hear it in verse—or are you returning to prose? And what are you working on now?

PV: I’m delighted to say that Penguin recently signed up my latest novel, which should, if all goes well, be released in 2019.

ABW: Congratulations! Great news.

PV: Thank you. It’s about children living on their own and eking out a living on the streets of an Indian city. And yes, this one is in prose—but I hope I’ll live long enough to write other novels in verse. I do love that form, as well.

ABW: I look forward to reading it!

Now let me ask about your website. The tag line there is: “Stories are ships on which we sail oceans of imagination.” Why this particular tag line? What special significance does it have for you?

PV: Growing up in the Indian culture, it was tremendously important to me to be financially independent. I couldn’t see myself living the way I wished if I pursued a career in the arts, so I became an oceanographer (I always loved science and mathematics, just as I loved words). But eventually, I felt secure enough to risk a foray into the field of literature, which, thankfully, was successful. And I think that tag line brings together my worlds of oceanography and story, of science/mathematics and language.

Which are and aren’t that different. Music is mathematics given voice; language at its best sings. Writing is about word patterns; mathematics is about number patterns. And the oceans of our imagination are sailed, in different ways, but equally well, by scientists and story-tellers.

ABW: I love hearing you reflect on music, mathematics, and oceans this way. My oldest daughter teaches college-level math and has described her research as “more art than numbers.” I get it. And I love your comment that language at its best sings.

One more question! Can you tell us sometimes-language-challenged Americans how to pronounce your last name?! (Which syllable gets the accent?)

PV: My first name is actually Padmavathi, not Padma! So that’s pretty long, but I hardly ever use the full form, unfortunately (it sounds rather lovely). There’s a link on how to pronounce my name right on my website’s resources page! There’s no accent, which is what trips up some Americans. All syllables have equal weight and length. And, hey, not all of us Americans are language-challenged…

ABW: Hahaha. True that. I just checked out your Resources page and practiced saying your name, and you’re exactly right that the lack of an accent was the thing that tripped me up!

Thank you so much for doing this blog interview. I’m just thrilled that we had a chance to chat at the James River Writers conference, and I look forward to reading all of your books.

PV: Thanks so much, Anne. It’s an honor and a pleasure to be interviewed by you!

Love your protagonist

This month I attended two writers’ conferences—James River Writers and the Society of Children’s Book Writers and Illustrators Mid-Atlantic Regional—and felt like I’d shopped in a gourmet food store. I came home excited to cook.

Speakers laid out the usual conference fare—how writers must learn to accept failure/rejection, cultivate resilience/perseverance, find their own unique (authentic) voice, etc.—a smorgasbord of advice.

When Lin Oliver stepped up to the podium, she gave a talk called, “A Ten Point Guide to Launching and Sustaining a Children’s Book Career.” During Point Five, she dropped a crumb that made me sit up, made my mouth water. Five was about studying the craft, and Lin peppered it with spices like letting the child solve the story’s problem and writing “in scene” and beginning on the day that’s different. Delicious stuff, all of it.

Lin Oliver

But the morsel Lin dropped—the one that got me to lean forward, Continue reading

Tapping into childhood memories

One day when I was about eight years old and a friend’s mom was driving the carpool, she drove off without me. Her name was Mrs. Collevecchio.

I was at the swim club a few miles from home, and I remember seeing her station wagon pull into the lot. Within a few seconds, her car was beside our little crowd, and our group had piled in, and she was heading back out, and for some reason—had I forgotten my towel and run back for it?—I don’t remember, but I didn’t climb into the car, and Mrs. Collevecchio didn’t notice my absence.

To this day, I can see the back of that station wagon rolling away, see the dust in its wake, the matted grass and weedy gravel of the lot. With the memory comes a tight feeling in my gut. I wanted to yell, Wait!, but the thought of yelling brought shame, so I didn’t. There were other parents picking up and dropping off kids, and there was a teenager at the gate checking people in, and I couldn’t stand the thought of them or anyone staring at me.

I might have waved. Maybe I jumped up and down, maybe once. Then I froze. Mrs. Collevecchio had left me behind.  Continue reading

Addicted to Writing

What’s an author to do when her latest revision is out with beta readers? I’ve cleaned out a filing cabinet, swept a patio, written thank-you notes, read a novel, done a Sudoku puzzle (more than one, actually), but lordy, after a week, I need to be back at my desk. Am I crazy? Why can’t I stop writing? Why does one morning producing the most mundane of sentences give me a greater sense of satisfaction than anything I’ve done all week?

They really are mundane, these sentences. First a blank page, then dribble. Starting from scratch. Again.

Used to be that I found math especially rewarding. The orderliness of it… the patterns… the equations and solutions and diagrams and 2-D illustrations of 3-D objects and later calculus and its functions and measurements of x as y approaches infinity… but I started to wonder, why am I doing this?  Continue reading

Get a flow going

Last month I posted about endings, then tried my own suggestion: I wrote a possible final chapter. Once I had it, of course I had to write the scene that would come immediately before it. Then I wrote the scene before that one, and on back, scene by scene, until my ending scenes connected with the chapters I’d written from the beginning.

I had a complete first draft. Finally!

And it was fun to write the story backwards. It was freeing. It was crazy, loose writing—a lot of dialogue—and I admit that the manuscript is now a mess. But a first draft is done. The story now has a shape (an emotional arc) and the characters have come alive, and I can begin to dig deeper into scenes and add sensory details and check for continuity, etc.

The best part is that along the way, I had fun! I got a flow going. I gave myself permission to let go. To relax.  Continue reading

Know your Ending

Once when I was young and read a novel with a fabulous twist at the end (I’ve forgotten the book, but I recall its effect), it hit me that the writer had to have known the ending all along. He’d planted clues throughout, but as a reader, I hadn’t put two and two together until the end, and when I did, wow. The story blew me away. Remembering the title would be a bonus here, but my point is that on that day, although I was only in elementary school, my wow moment had to do with craft.

Shortly after recovering from that wonderful wow, I recall that I felt sorry for the author. Poor thing. When you know your ending up front, doesn’t it spoil the story? Doesn’t it ruin the enjoyment of reading it? Of writing it? And when I realized that all authors would have to know their endings while writing their beginnings, I felt sad for them. Why would anyone want to become a writer? Continue reading

Editing for Emotional Impact

This week’s Writing Show, “Editing for Emotional Impact,” presented by James River Writers, was like a cornucopia of craft tips, everything overflowing, spilling out, and the crowd eagerly eating it all up. I had a great time. Here are my favorite take-aways from the evening:

Sadeqa Johnson urged us to listen to our characters. Really listen. Be open to what they have to say. While writing a scene, she’ll pause to ask a character, “What’s up?” Time and again she finds herself surprised by her characters’ answers. She tries to figure out what makes each one feel vulnerable.

Anne Blankman stressed the value of understanding what the protagonist wants, then taking that thing away, or at the very least, threatening its safety. She told us to think of a novel like an amusement park ride; readers have bought tickets and will feel cheated if the ride doesn’t carry them up and down and make their hearts pound. Continue reading

Ruta Sepetys on Multiple Points of View



This month, I caught up with Ruta Sepetys, recently home from a two-month book tour for her latest historical YA, Salt to the Sea. It’s a gripping World War II story of a group of teenagers running for safety while the Russian army marches toward Germany and American bombers fly overhead. Set in 1945 in what is now Poland, the story leads up to the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff in the Baltic Sea, the greatest tragedy in maritime history.



In this video clip on Ruta’s website, we learn a bit about the family history that inspired Ruta to set her novel during WWII. Watching this clip is well worth four minutes of your time:

Ruta notes that “empathy is one of the greatest and most beautiful contributions that we can achieve through writing.” Empathy. Yes! So necessary when it comes to crafting a character, and especially when writing multiple characters and multiple points of view. I’m thrilled to have Ruta here to tell us how she did it.

A.B. Westrick: Welcome, Ruta. So glad you could share your thoughts about craft and process.

Ruta Sepetys: Thank you so much for having me!

ABW: Let’s start with that awful Alfred character—awful and oddly funny. The story is tense and Alfred provides a lot of comic relief in circumstances that are otherwise bleak. Was Alfred part of your early drafts, or did you weave him into the story later when you realized the need to lighten things up? How did you go about crafting him? To what extent is he based on someone you know? Continue reading

Ideas are Overrated

People often ask writers: where do you get the ideas for your stories? And I say: ideas. Blah. So overrated.

I’ve blogged about this before, but still find myself slipping into the idea-trap. Recently while reading slush-pile submissions for a literary magazine, I found that other writers slip, too. It’s a sure recipe for rejection.

On some level, stories will always be filled with ideas, of course, but when an idea is important, the reason it’s important—its value—is that beneath it, there is a deeply-held emotion. The idea matters on some fundamental emotional level, and it’s the emotion that readers connect with. The books we like most are the ones that speak not to our heads, but to our hearts. Continue reading

Salivation and Satisfaction

When I was a student in the MFA program at Vermont College of Fine Arts, I heard Jane Kurtz, the author of more than thirty books for young readers, give a fabulous lecture called “Salivation and Satisfaction.” The gist of her talk was that for a novel to work well, the reader must salivate (must care about the protagonist and hunger for more), and must feel satisfied at the end. The sense of satisfaction comes when there’s a match-up between what the writer sets up for the character and what the character gets. The protagonist won’t necessarily get what he or she wanted, but the questions the author has raised at the start need to be answered by the end.

This wisdom was on my mind one morning this past month, a morning when I woke feeling heavy. You know… it’s great when you feel rested first thing in the morning. It’s great to slip into your desk chair, take a sip from a steaming mug of coffee, and start writing, writing, writing. But I didn’t feel rested that morning. I had the whole dang plot of my novel sloshing through my head.

From years spent writing, I’ve learned that when I wake thinking about a particular scene, something is wrong. Continue reading